Curse

maxxfury · Oct 09, 2009, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

I do question the use of blindbots though. I've rarely used one, since I find that a single skill (enfeebling blood) is more than enough for any mob physicals.

Enfeebling blood also happens to be in a more viable skill line to begin with aswell! the lucky little thing! combine that with aegis and reckless ect and you dont need blind. Even if blind is naturally a more potent condition. The defense webs you can throw up mean its generally not needed in most areas

even tho i do run ylmad+ashblast+Fdreams/extend

, low micro bars bore me

Tenebrae · Oct 09, 2009, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by maxxfury

Enfeebling blood also happens to be in a more viable skill line to begin with aswell! the lucky little thing! combine that with aegis and reckless ect and you dont need blind. Even if blind is naturally a more potent condition. The defense webs you can throw up mean its generally not needed in most areas

even tho i do run ylmad+ashblast+Fdreams/extend

, low micro bars bore me

Yeh but the thing is that a stupid hero can run it with 2 skills so you dont have to waste an elite , a pve skill and another skill for that matter. Is great but for HM cripple and weak is enough 90% of the times.

Vazze · Oct 09, 2009, 03:41 PM // 15:41

You can argue that Me/E has the potential to spread other useful conditions (dazed), but a combo with ~10s recharge (or a conditional 5s) is obviously not gonna outperform EDA especially not against nicely spread mobs. Of course whether you want/need blind (or so much blind) and at what price is another question.

Kenzo Skunk · Oct 12, 2009, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Instead of making science out of a game (if you slot skill X then the damage will be Y, BUT if you add skill G, the damage exponentially rises to ZXY, along with endless blabbering of opposed opinions that usually follows), and making characters that go to work every day with fixed ecto quota that has to be digged out, have you (ppl that spit on rangers) ever considered the possibility that people simply LIKE to play rangers? So, it doesn`t matter if they don`t make uber-damage, doesn`t matter if they don`t have shadow form invulnerability, etc.. They are simply enjoying the game, and enjoying it far more than ecto/shards/VS/BDS digging classes that repeat the same thing over and over to the level of insanity. Rangers are fun, and i play my ranger for no other reason than that.
Ah, one more thing - rangers have one of the best looking obsi armor, others are just ugly (monks and mesmers being other two exceptions). Personal opinion, but it counts a lot to me

maxxfury · Oct 12, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Kenzo Skunk

have you (ppl that spit on rangers) ever considered the possibility that people simply LIKE to play rangers? So, it doesn`t matter if they don`t make uber-damage, doesn`t matter if they don`t have shadow form invulnerability, etc.. They are simply enjoying the game, and enjoying it. Rangers are fun, and i play my ranger for no other reason than that.

Ah, one more thing - rangers have one of the best looking obsi armor, others are just ugly (monks and mesmers being other two exceptions). Personal opinion, but it counts a lot to me

yup! if you read the posts you would see a lot of people saying basically that they know ranger will never be top dog in this meta for most things! but its still fun as hell to play

And yeah!! Ranger obsi is niice! infact i only like some of the 1k gear and obsi gear, alas i dont like any 15k for them :O

BlackSephir · Oct 15, 2009, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Kenzo Skunk

Instead of making science out of a game (if you slot skill X then the damage will be Y, BUT if you add skill G, the damage exponentially rises to ZXY, along with endless blabbering of opposed opinions that usually follows), and making characters that go to work every day with fixed ecto quota that has to be digged out, have you (ppl that spit on rangers) ever considered the possibility that people simply LIKE to play rangers? So, it doesn`t matter if they don`t make uber-damage, doesn`t matter if they don`t have shadow form invulnerability, etc.. They are simply enjoying the game, and enjoying it far more than ecto/shards/VS/BDS digging classes that repeat the same thing over and over to the level of insanity. Rangers are fun, and i play my ranger for no other reason than that.
Ah, one more thing - rangers have one of the best looking obsi armor, others are just ugly (monks and mesmers being other two exceptions). Personal opinion, but it counts a lot to me

That's sweet, I guess we can close every thread that touches the issue of classes being good/bad at something, same goes for builds and skills threads.
Because it's all OPINIONS, it's SUBJECTIVE, let's throw all this math out of the window.
Here's a fun fact: it doesn't matter if you enjoy playing Defy Pain warrior- it simply sucks.

Tenebrae · Oct 16, 2009, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

That's sweet, I guess we can close every thread that touches the issue of classes being good/bad at something, same goes for builds and skills threads.

Well the point is that theres a MID point between good and bad and avoiding it or calling a whole class "bad" because is not "the best" at X task is a plain lie.
Fun is a factor ofc and you can bring it down whenever you like but you cant avoid the truth explained above.

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Because it's all OPINIONS, it's SUBJECTIVE, let's throw all this math out of the window.
Here's a fun fact: it doesn't matter if you enjoy playing Defy Pain warrior- it simply sucks.

Yes , maths and white papers filled with DPS calculations sux but try to look it the other way ..... using your own words the tip would be :
Fact : it doesnt matter if your sin have SF and you can "run" the whole game , it simply sucks and its boring as hell.
And you cant use that argument in that way or any other

BlackSephir · Oct 16, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Well the point is that theres a MID point between good and bad and avoiding it or calling a whole class "bad" because is not "the best" at X task is a plain lie.
Fun is a factor ofc and you can bring it down whenever you like but you cant avoid the truth explained above.

There's even a HIGH point- a class/build that's good, fun and shines at doing whatever it is doing.

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Yes , maths and white papers filled with DPS calculations sux but try to look it the other way ..... using your own words the tip would be :
Fact : it doesnt matter if your sin have SF and you can "run" the whole game , it simply sucks and its boring as hell.
And you cant use that argument in that way or any other

SF is boring, grinding and farming is boring.
Tell me something I didn't know 8 years ago.

F Al T H · Nov 11, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

I agree with what someone else said on a earlier post, RANGERS are the most versatile profession in the game and even though warriors and paragons have such high armor I personally think a ranger has very good armor rating esp the bonus to ELE dmg which makes a HUGE difference.

and if people are moaning about HIGH DPS then you can still use other class skills to obtain the DPS. for example below is a bar that is capable of doing roughly 250 DPS on a single target using Ranger and Sin Skills.

Lightning Reflex's, I'm the Strongest, Asuran Scan, Black Mantis Sting, Exhausting Assault, Jagged Strike, Fox Fangs and Death Blossom.

The funny thing about the above bar is.... There's no ELITE skill needed to obtain the crazy amount of damage it delivers.

Black Mantis = Cripple, Exhausting for Rupt, Jagged for spreading Bleeding, Fox Fangs + Death Blossom = 200-350 dmg. (with bonus's from pve skills)

Not only this but Energy is never a problem with this build as you have 20 seconds of IAS with Zealous Daggers and 1/4 Second Attack Skills.

This build was just a mess about just something I tried to see crazy amounts of DPS, I killed the master of dmg in 2 seconds averaging 250 dmg a second. most dmg within a single second was arround 300-400. try it. just for fun.

Coast · Nov 11, 2009, 05:09 PM // 17:09

magebane shot, oh baby

Azure Requiem · Nov 11, 2009, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Kenzo Skunk

Ah, one more thing - rangers have one of the best looking obsi armor, others are just ugly (monks and mesmers being other two exceptions). Personal opinion, but it counts a lot to me

I prefer female rit(without the headpiece) and female necro obsidian sets personally, If ranger set dyed differently I would like it too.

Anyways, as for the topic of the thread. If you enjoy playing your ranger then no it isn't useless. You get fun and enjoyment from it.

If you care about the "meta"(term that ruins almost anything it touches) then you should play another class. And delete and re-roll your character as the meta changes.

I personally play games for fun. Find like minded people to play with. More enjoyment that way for me.

Anyone remember back in ye old prophecies only days when we were all new and learning the game, taking Reyna in a henchmen group overpulling everyone dying except for her. If only she would have had a hard rez and not rez sig.

Joe Fierce · Nov 11, 2009, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Ranger= GW swiss army knife, useless for everything, excells at nothing, worthless? Hardly.

Chthon · Nov 11, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by F Al T H

Assassin could run that bar better. Also has higher armor with critical agility.

F Al T H · Nov 11, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Assassin could run that bar better. Also has higher armor with critical agility.

I've played sin as well as ranger I like both but as far as ENCHANTMENTs go in HIGH END areas you have no chance, LF is not only less likely to be removed you also gain 75% chance to block which means most likely the dmg you'll get will be ele dmg or dmg from hexes, sin are unreliable to all dmg sorry but even with Crit Agility they take SOOOOOOOO much dmg when on the frontline (which sins usually are)

Also Sometimes as an elite option I use Temple Strike and swap out a offhand attack, this I know would be far too much energy for a sin to run, and when you get temple strike on any caster or melee it's pretty much ..... Game Set Match.

G4ymBoy · Nov 13, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Rangers are far from useless. i have been a ranger main since release, here is a nice build that is quite effective in HM

BHA
Triple Shot
Volley
Splinter Weapon
Nightmare weapon
Pain Inverter
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Rez(optional really i like to bring comfort animal because i can>.>)

Get a vamp bow

Expertise: 10+1
Marks: 9+2
Channeling: 11
(attribute points may be a bit off but make sure channeling is at least at 10 to get 4 hits of splinter.

Nightmare+Triple for spike+health gain
Splinter+Volley for AoE
BHA+EVAS for caster (especially monk bosses)
Pain Inverter for obvious reasons(you could switch it out for something else if you dont know how to manage energy).

This is just an example of the ranger's versatility. They really are the Toolbox of GW.

I cannot think of another class that can run this better. Rit could possibly run it but it would have major energy problems.

iToasterHD · Nov 15, 2009, 10:16 AM // 10:16

I have found Ritualists to be far more versatile then Rangers.

Tenebrae · Nov 15, 2009, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

I have found Ritualists to be far more versatile then Rangers.

Then you should look twice. Maybe ( and thats a huge maybe ) they would be even if wep spells stack but right now ? hell no.

SumoutoriDreams · Nov 16, 2009, 06:55 AM // 06:55

All this talk about rangers somehow leads to arguments about bows, in essence....
I think what most of us who are bashing rangers gripe about is the primary weapon (bow), rather than the profession ranger itself.

Bows have the lowest attack speed of any martial weapon in the game. This cuts dps down tremendously, or, viewed in another light, creates even more of a need for an IAS. Now, if interruption could play a larger role in pve (beyond a select few casters), this wouldnt be much of an issue. But it doesnt, so a ranger must have a decent method to apply damage, or you slow things down (and in the case that the crap hits the fan, you dont want things to slow down).

So, its pretty clear a bow doesn't cut it. But start looking at your alternatives, and rangers start to shine (in pve). Pets, axes, hammers, pick your poison. Even spears can work (remember, asuran scan makes a martial profession's pve world go round). The rangers advantage in martial weaponry is the expertise stat; they can easily use low recharge/high energy skills that are usually difficult to implement from their primary professions. Yes, good builds can do great damage AND support with junk like SY or knockdowns (only warriors can fill these shoes well). But great damage is great.

Bottom line: Rangers? Useful. Bows? (Near) Useless.

Jaskaran · Nov 17, 2009, 10:38 PM // 22:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LVtG2i6KM0

there

Moonlit Azure · Nov 17, 2009, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

I have found Ritualists to be far more versatile then Rangers.

This. Ritualists have a lot more use and build variety.

Thats what annoys me with rangers. I've been playing my current ranger for over 3 years now, and what bothers me is the lack of build diversity.

Theres your staple bar (dshot, savage shot, apply poison, natural stride, etc) plus an elite.

You can change (if you want to call it that) your build by changing the elite and thats it.

Ranger bars are very rigid, as most ranger skills are garbage. Theres a select few that actually are decent compared to the mass of other bad skills.

Just look at pvx for proof:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:R/Mo...g_Arrow_Ranger
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:R/Mo_Cripshot
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:R/Mo..._Arrows_Ranger
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:R/Mo...ne_Shot_Ranger

Wheres the verity I've been hearing about from everyone here? The core of ranger builds are all very similar. Sure, your changing an elite, but that doesnt change the fact that its nearly the same build.

And dont bother mention gimmicky builds either, I'm looking at bow builds here.